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		<title>By: MS</title>
		<link>http://irangcc.com/2009/06/30/debating-the-elections-on-press-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>MS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Ansari didn&#039;t have much to contribute to the debate. While I didn&#039;t like the way Ansari and Afrasiabi abused each other, it was clear that Ansari&#039;s report provided no credible evidence that there was any fraud. In the US and UK the worst is regularly assumed about Iran and then evidence is gathered to prove that the worst is true. I&#039;ve been to Iran many times for my own academic work in the west of the country and it has always been clear to me that Ahmadinejad is very popular among ordinary Iranians in Ilam and Kermanshahan. I also agree with the third guest that those experts living in the country in general are in a much better position to judge the situation (as in all other countries). When the minority doesn&#039;t concede defeat and tries to impose itself on the majority, as the opponents of Chavez tried to do, the state has the right to defend itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Ansari didn&#8217;t have much to contribute to the debate. While I didn&#8217;t like the way Ansari and Afrasiabi abused each other, it was clear that Ansari&#8217;s report provided no credible evidence that there was any fraud. In the US and UK the worst is regularly assumed about Iran and then evidence is gathered to prove that the worst is true. I&#8217;ve been to Iran many times for my own academic work in the west of the country and it has always been clear to me that Ahmadinejad is very popular among ordinary Iranians in Ilam and Kermanshahan. I also agree with the third guest that those experts living in the country in general are in a much better position to judge the situation (as in all other countries). When the minority doesn&#8217;t concede defeat and tries to impose itself on the majority, as the opponents of Chavez tried to do, the state has the right to defend itself.</p>
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		<title>By: mehdi</title>
		<link>http://irangcc.com/2009/06/30/debating-the-elections-on-press-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Afrasiabi must think we are all stupid by making the case about Azeri&#039;s voting pattern by bringing up M. Alizad&#039;s vote count in﻿ 2005 election.

The idiot doesn&#039;t realize it would be as if for example a popular candidate say Barack Obama who was even lesser known by folks in U.S. would&#039;ve lost the black vote in any of the primaries or the general election and then his opposing candidate be it Hillary or McCain would make their case by pointing to how Jesse Jackson did in that state.

There are so many cases of voter fraud be it Karoubi&#039;s vote 5th place total vote count to what he pulled from the state of Lorestan to what he pulled in comparison to 2005.  Then there are all the fake unfolded ballots with the same handwriting which the Islamic cliphate (not republic) put on on their state run TV, to one video of someone writing in ballots, to the huge number of voter irregulatirty that the dictator himself admitted to that makes Afrasiabi seem like an agent of Sepah intellegince service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afrasiabi must think we are all stupid by making the case about Azeri&#8217;s voting pattern by bringing up M. Alizad&#8217;s vote count in﻿ 2005 election.</p>
<p>The idiot doesn&#8217;t realize it would be as if for example a popular candidate say Barack Obama who was even lesser known by folks in U.S. would&#8217;ve lost the black vote in any of the primaries or the general election and then his opposing candidate be it Hillary or McCain would make their case by pointing to how Jesse Jackson did in that state.</p>
<p>There are so many cases of voter fraud be it Karoubi&#8217;s vote 5th place total vote count to what he pulled from the state of Lorestan to what he pulled in comparison to 2005.  Then there are all the fake unfolded ballots with the same handwriting which the Islamic cliphate (not republic) put on on their state run TV, to one video of someone writing in ballots, to the huge number of voter irregulatirty that the dictator himself admitted to that makes Afrasiabi seem like an agent of Sepah intellegince service.</p>
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		<title>By: eliza godart</title>
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		<dc:creator>eliza godart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could you sit and talk nonsence since the press Tv is run by Iranian goverment,are you blind..dont you see that ppl dont want the coupl Ahmadi-khameneii.How meny ather vedio you like to see to coundan a frued and killing in this goverment.Do you know why we all voited against Ahmadi this year and 80% voited more than last 4 years...to get rid of this goverment.This goverment will not sleep relax for the next 4 years.Awaiting for a free Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could you sit and talk nonsence since the press Tv is run by Iranian goverment,are you blind..dont you see that ppl dont want the coupl Ahmadi-khameneii.How meny ather vedio you like to see to coundan a frued and killing in this goverment.Do you know why we all voited against Ahmadi this year and 80% voited more than last 4 years&#8230;to get rid of this goverment.This goverment will not sleep relax for the next 4 years.Awaiting for a free Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Eloxi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eloxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter R. Mebane, Jr.
University of Michigan
June 29, 2009

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/note18jun2009.pdf


Evidently, Mr. Mebane&#039;s updated statistical study illustrates that according to the examined body of models, the surge in Ahmadinejad&#039;s numbers cannot be clearly explained. Apparently, this very fact escaped the regime cohorts who flood their propaganda media machine to spew nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter R. Mebane, Jr.<br />
University of Michigan<br />
June 29, 2009</p>
<p><a href="http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/note18jun2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/note18jun2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>Evidently, Mr. Mebane&#8217;s updated statistical study illustrates that according to the examined body of models, the surge in Ahmadinejad&#8217;s numbers cannot be clearly explained. Apparently, this very fact escaped the regime cohorts who flood their propaganda media machine to spew nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: irangcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>irangcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the show demonstrates how the elections have become a blank screen onto which the guests (and other observers) project their interpretations of Iranian politics and society.  Marandi might argue that the results must be valid because the system is “sophisticated” and “computerized” but the nub of the problem is that Iran’s government has a legitimacy problem among a sizable chunk of its people who have decided to take to the streets.  This is true regardless of whatever the un-tampered vote tally might be (which none of the guests are in a position to judge).  I guess I just don’t see the point in debating what the metaphysically real vote numbers might be if the election is deemed illegitimate by so many, and there seems no obvious path towards reaching an outcome that is accepted by the vast majority of Iranians.  Except for the obvious entertainment value.  Thanks for the comment.   -WW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the show demonstrates how the elections have become a blank screen onto which the guests (and other observers) project their interpretations of Iranian politics and society.  Marandi might argue that the results must be valid because the system is “sophisticated” and “computerized” but the nub of the problem is that Iran’s government has a legitimacy problem among a sizable chunk of its people who have decided to take to the streets.  This is true regardless of whatever the un-tampered vote tally might be (which none of the guests are in a position to judge).  I guess I just don’t see the point in debating what the metaphysically real vote numbers might be if the election is deemed illegitimate by so many, and there seems no obvious path towards reaching an outcome that is accepted by the vast majority of Iranians.  Except for the obvious entertainment value.  Thanks for the comment.   -WW</p>
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		<title>By: Al Haraka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Haraka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha.  I have to say this was an entertaining attempt by PressTV to seem fair and balanced.  In the end, they seemed, well, fair and balanced (to highlight the joke here, the latter is in the Fox News sense of the word).

I think it started well, but I think the word cheap can be liberally thrown around to describe the analysis of every guest.  What we really did in the credibility of the announcer was at 3:36-3:37 of the third part when she said &quot;pick on&quot; instead of &quot;pick up.&quot;  My, my.  Classy classy!

What was fantastic were the interviews of normal Iranians on the street.  I too believe many Westerners are wrong in judging the elections as fraudulent.  They defy &quot;common sense&quot; and &quot;statistics&quot; (because each guest does not go into detail about their statistical analysis, telling me none of them can go beyond simple arithmetic without panicking) in the same way George W. Bush&#039;s election must have stumped outsiders.  It only proves what we as Americans dislike: America is not cute and lovable, and that the arrogance of its actions pisses off an increasingly conservative and xenophobic group of onlookers, who mirror are own shortcomings, not their deficiencies and deviations from a rational norm.  That is not just a problem in Iran.  That is everywhere.  The skepticism of those interviewed embodies what I think happened: the majority see Moussavi supporters are angry they did not have their way, and a tantrum is not going to change that.

As much as I did not like his superficial slickness, I reluctantly see Marandi as the only one who struck me as competent.  He harks back to the same problem every regional expert frowns about when looking at Western analysis of anything: you did not talk to people, because you do not speak their native tongue, and are quick to judge their actions as if they are monkeys you observe in zoo.  No way they can be human beings with our robotic rationality and mental consistency (again, sarcasm).  No one likes that.  Even though the accusations against Ansari were crap and tremendously unprofessional, his bias is just as evident as the others.  Good find.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha.  I have to say this was an entertaining attempt by PressTV to seem fair and balanced.  In the end, they seemed, well, fair and balanced (to highlight the joke here, the latter is in the Fox News sense of the word).</p>
<p>I think it started well, but I think the word cheap can be liberally thrown around to describe the analysis of every guest.  What we really did in the credibility of the announcer was at 3:36-3:37 of the third part when she said &#8220;pick on&#8221; instead of &#8220;pick up.&#8221;  My, my.  Classy classy!</p>
<p>What was fantastic were the interviews of normal Iranians on the street.  I too believe many Westerners are wrong in judging the elections as fraudulent.  They defy &#8220;common sense&#8221; and &#8220;statistics&#8221; (because each guest does not go into detail about their statistical analysis, telling me none of them can go beyond simple arithmetic without panicking) in the same way George W. Bush&#8217;s election must have stumped outsiders.  It only proves what we as Americans dislike: America is not cute and lovable, and that the arrogance of its actions pisses off an increasingly conservative and xenophobic group of onlookers, who mirror are own shortcomings, not their deficiencies and deviations from a rational norm.  That is not just a problem in Iran.  That is everywhere.  The skepticism of those interviewed embodies what I think happened: the majority see Moussavi supporters are angry they did not have their way, and a tantrum is not going to change that.</p>
<p>As much as I did not like his superficial slickness, I reluctantly see Marandi as the only one who struck me as competent.  He harks back to the same problem every regional expert frowns about when looking at Western analysis of anything: you did not talk to people, because you do not speak their native tongue, and are quick to judge their actions as if they are monkeys you observe in zoo.  No way they can be human beings with our robotic rationality and mental consistency (again, sarcasm).  No one likes that.  Even though the accusations against Ansari were crap and tremendously unprofessional, his bias is just as evident as the others.  Good find.  Thanks.</p>
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